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Switch to wayland?
Post by pixel24 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:52 am
I use LM 20.2 with Cinnamon Desktop and would like to test Wayland. Where can I switch this to test? On the web I only find hints for Ubuntu -> cogwheel in login manager.
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Re: Switch to wayland?
Post by kc1di » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:29 am
As far as I know there is no way at present to run wayland on Mint. So if you want to test it you’ll have to try it on ubuntu, fedora or the distro that includes it.
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Re: Switch to wayland?
Post by fblais » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:25 pm
Re: Switch to wayland?
Post by JosephM » Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:12 am
There is a lot of misunderstanding when it comes to Wayland judging by a lot of questions and responses I see here on the forums. Wayland is not implemented at the distro level. It’s done at the desktop environment level. Currently none of the DE’s shipped by default with Mint (cinnamon, mate, xfce) support Wayland. You can however install gnome-shell and shell’s Wayland session if you want to run that. But keep in mind that it will not work if you have Nvidia graphics. And it might be easier if you just want to test to install one of the distros mentioned above.
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Re: Switch to wayland?
Post by pixel24 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:26 am
I got the idea to test it when I read in an article (on Heise, German IT-News) that the nVIDIA driver v470. now supports Wayland.
By testing I meant: «I flip a switch in the system» . Apparently this is not the case. Then I wait until LM switches to Wayland.
Re: Switch to wayland?
Post by Kreative » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:23 pm
When I switched to Linux, back in 2017, I went with Fedora Design Suite that used GNOME 3 on F25. I quickly changed Wayland to Xorg if I wanted graphic software to work. So like a Waylon Jennings song. take this _ and shove it. Besides, I’m holding out for ‘Willie’, so I will have no more blue eyes crying in the rain; because of why doe it not work on Wayland
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Wayland on Linux Mint
Post by Leloup » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:48 am
Most Linux distributions have decided to adopt Wayland (except Ubuntu). The quickest and easiest way to try it for now is to download Fedora 25 and install it. No configuration is needed and it is installed by default.
I wonder if it would be possible to install Wayland on Linux Min t. A good way would be to try Wayland by installing Gnome Shell or KDE Plasma 5. Both projects have worked hard to implement an excellent Wayland session. These sessions could be found in the connection manager.
Have you already installed it on a Linux Mint distribution?
Is it possible? What is your feedback?
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Re: Wayland on Linux Mint
Post by xenopeek » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 am
Ubuntu uses Wayland by default from Ubuntu 21.04. As does Debian GNOME since Debian 10.
It is probably possible to use Wayland on Linux Mint but right now not with Cinnamon, MATE or Xfce. MATE with recent 1.26 release has initial support for Wayland but I think that is only for certain applications and MATE Desktop itself isn’t a Wayland display server yet. Same for Xfce.
GNOME, KDE and Enlightenment are furthest along with Wayland but there is more choice if you look outside the traditional desktop environments. New window managers like Sway (drop in replacement for i3) are Wayland-first. You’ll also need a display manager that can launch a Wayland session. LightDM, which Linux Mint uses, runs in X11 but it can launch Wayland sessions. For GNOME you’ll likely want to switch to GDM. That also runs in Wayland itself.
That said on Linux Mint 20.x most programs will be running in XWayland I think. The X11 server that runs inside Wayland. And you need to do some configuring to make programs that can run on Wayland actually do so. The Arch Linux wiki has some info for toolkits: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#GUI_libraries. And for programs, like for Firefox https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Wayland and Chromium https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromi . nd_support.
You can use the command xlsclients to find which programs are running in XWayland—which programs aren’t natively running on Wayland.
I think Wayland will be better on Linux Mint 21, which will be based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. More programs and software will be Wayland ready than is the case in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS which is the current package base. And right now you won’t be able to run Wayland on NVidia with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS I think. That should hopefully be possible with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, as with other distros already.
I don’t run Wayland on Linux Mint. I do run it on Arch Linux with GNOME. I have done the bunch of configuring to make all programs capable of running on Wayland actually do so. Just to see how well or bad it goes Generally things work well but web browsers have a long way to go on Wayland. Firefox context menu’s aren’t aware of screen borders so if you right-click closer to the bottom of the screen the menu will be partially outside view. The same doesn’t happen on X11. And there is some weirdness when trying to drag bookmarks, that doesn’t work under Wayland. Chromium regularly has large white blocks flickering in the browser. Restarting it gets rid of that. Just to say expect some things not to work as well yet as on X11 when you make every Wayland-capable program actually run on Wayland. But other programs run fine. LibreOffice for example, no issues whatsoever under Wayland.
There is a discussion here about what Wayland does for the user: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=360529. Especially for multi-monitor users Wayland will likely be better than X11.
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| #! /bin/bash |
| # NOTICE, EASY WAY FIRST: sudo apt install gnome-session-wayland |
| # If easy way not work try this below: |
| # ################ 0 — Preparation ################## |
| # Update and PPA |
| sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:wayland.admin/daily-builds ; \ |
| apt update ; \ |
| # |
| # Depends |
| sudo apt install -y doxygen xmlto ; \ |
| sudo apt install -y libxml2-dev ; \ |
| # |
| # Install build dependencies of wayland/weston |
| sudo apt install -y \ |
| libevdev-dev \ |
| libwacom-dev \ |
| libxkbcommon-dev ; \ |
| # |
| sudo apt-get install -y autoconf automake bison debhelper dpkg-dev flex \ |
| libudev-dev libx11-dev libx11-xcb-dev \ |
| libxdamage-dev libxext-dev libxfixes-dev libxxf86vm-dev \ |
| linux-libc-dev pkg-config python-libxml2 quilt x11proto-dri2-dev \ |
| x11proto-gl-dev xutils-dev ; \ |
| # |
| # libinput dependencies: |
| sudo apt install -y libmtdev-dev libpam0g-dev ; \ |
| # |
| # ################# 1- Installation ################# |
| # Wayland |
| sudo apt install -y libwayland0 ; \ |
| sudo apt install -y weston wayland-protocols xserver-xorg ; \ |
| sudo apt install -y xwayland wayland ; \ |
| sudo apt install -y weston ; \ |
| # |
| # Gnome and Lightdm |
| apt install -y gnome-session \* ; \ |
| apt install -y gnome-session-wayland ; \ |
| # |
| sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ; \ |
| weston ; \ |
| # |
| # From |
| # Me and |
| # https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ubuntu16.04.html |
| # https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ubuntu12.04.html |
| # http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/04/latest-wayland-ubuntu-14-04-ppa/ |
| # https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.pt-br.html |
| # https://www.howtoinstall.co/pt/ubuntu/xenial/gnome-session-wayland |
| # https://launchpad.net/~wayland.admin/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+index?field.series_filter=utopic |
| # https://jan.newmarch.name/Wayland/RunningWayland/ |
| # https://askubuntu.com/questions/514094/how-do-i-install-wayland-and-use-it |
| # https://github.com/wespelee/Wayland/blob/master/wayland-build-fedora.sh |