Puppy linux pae or non pae

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I have a really old laptop from 2001 that needs refreshing. I researched and found puppy Linux and lubuntu, which seems like the best choices. From what I found, tahrpup was the most suiting for low-ram pc’s, just what I need. I tried lubuntu, bypassed PAE with ‘forcepae’ and tried it. Wasn’t for me. Today I wanted to try puppy instead, but got stuck at the PAE part because I couldn’t find how to bypass it here. Apparently there should be non-PAE versions which I can’t find. I’d love to try one of them but I really don’t know how.

Laptop model: Fujitsu Siemens AMILO M1425
Ram: 512mb
Graphics: AMD Mobility Radeon 9700
Cpu: Intel Pentium M (some sort of it)

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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by TerryH » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:32 pm

Here’s a couple of candidates to start with.

Slacko 5.7.1 WoofCE by Sailor Enceladus:

New Laptop — ASUS ZenBook Ryzen 7 5800H Vega 7 iGPU / 16 GB RAM

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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by foxpup » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:45 pm

By the way, if I remember correctly, PAE will also run, but it is of no use on It will be like noPAE.

This was on the old forum (which is down) and may be of intrest for you (link to cache from google):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s . clnk&gl=be

I have used Tahr on a similar machine some years ago, also Wary5.5.
But both are getting old.
I would recommend dpup Stretch from radky now.
Maybe Slacko6.9.9.10 from norgo for a newer Slacko.
Look in the Puppy Derivatives section.
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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by darry19662018 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:28 pm

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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by mikewalsh » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:26 pm

There is, of course, the issue of which Pentium M you’re saddled with. From what you say about needing to use «forcepae» with Lubuntu, I’d hazard a guess you’ve got the earlier ‘Banias‘ variant. These did have PAE, but for some crazy reason, the way Intel built them they didn’t advertise this fact to the OS.

Hence the ‘Dothan‘ revision. where everything behaved itself, and worked as expected!

Personally, for a box of this vintage — even older than my own elderly Dell Inspiron, an original P4-powered 1100 from 2002 — and with only 512 MB RAM, I’d respectfully suggest taking a look at Precise 571. I think Tahrpup might struggle on there.

The only snag with recommendations is that often those that do so don’t actually have experience with equipment quite that old. I do, and make this recommendation from personal experience.

Precise 5.7.1 can be found here:-

PAE-only, but it’ll run sweetly on there. though you’ll like as not need the —forcepae flag on the kernel line. The Precise-retro version contains a shed-load of firmware for older routers/modems, etc.

If you decide to try it, let us know how you get on, please.

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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by rockedge » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:03 pm

why not swap in a no-PAE kernel in Tahr which should run okay on this older machine. I would give Lucid 5.2.8 in a no-PAE configuration a try out as well.
Lucid works well on my IBM T-42 ThinkPad. I had Xenial and Tahr with no-PAE kernels running nicely on it.

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Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by cobaka » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:18 pm

I have a really old laptop from 2001 that needs refreshing. I researched and found puppy Linux and lubuntu, which seems like the best choices. From what I found, tahrpup was the most suiting for low-ram pc’s, just what I need. I tried lubuntu, bypassed PAE with ‘forcepae’ and tried it. Wasn’t for me.

I can’t help specifically.
I run a Dell Inspiron with a Pentium ‘M’.
The CPU: Pentium M — close if not the same as your CPU.
Came with 500MiB or RAM — I upgraded to 2GiB. Your max RAM is 1GiB.

On the topic of memeory: can’t say this item will help you, but it’s a clue: www.ebay.com.au/itm/223973007115
BTW — I have nothing to do with this item.

What I did:
Dell came (If I remember correctly) with 512GiB of RAM.
I added a 4-port hub and run an external USB kbd and mouse.
(I hate laptop keyboards!! Hate!!) I use the two USB ports on Dell as: (1) USB hub (2) USB boot drive.
In the hub: (1) kbd (2) mouse (3) thumb-drive. (4) spare slot.

Getting uPupBB running. Using a desktop I started with the uPupBB 32bit ISO (ie 19.03)
BionicPup32-8.0-uefi. Cannot remember the process used to install the OS BUT I wrote it «somewhere».
If you run into trouble: let me know. When I boot Dell/8600 I MUST use the built-in keyboard to type — forcepae. The keyboard on the hub does not work (until The Puppy is running).

The Pentium M has no PAE instruction — as you wrote.
I MUST ‘step’ around the missing PAE instruction (in the Pentium M). (as you wrote).
How do I ‘step around’ the missing PAE hardware? When booting I get a 10 second interruption and (during this interval) I tap «TAB». The cursor (and input line) moves to the btm of the screen.
I type — forcepae. (You know generally about this. Note: TWO dashes followed by ‘space’)
But ‘yes’ I run uPupBB-32 on the Dell 8600. It’s not a rocket, but it works.

And the Dell performance? I can watch youtube videos while using the bash command-line. Browser: Light, as supplied with uPupBB-32.

Here some of the specs for your machine:
Fujitsu Amilo-M1425 Laptop
CPU: Intel Mobile Pentium M 1.5GHz — 1.9GHz
Memory Type: PC2700 333MHz DDR SDRAM
Standard Memory: 256MB, 512MB (removable)
Max Memory: 1GB
Memory Expansion Slots: 2 Sockets
Memory Size: 200 Pin
USB Ports: Three USB 2.0 Compliant Ports

Your laptop will work. Can’t say if it will run uPupBB-32.
It will probably work — but may run too slow to be practical.
I’m interested in what happens. Keep us informed.

собака —> это Русский —> an old dog

Re: Where’s non-PAE’s available?

Post by grandmaslaptop » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:54 pm

mikewalsh wrote: ↑ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:26 pm There is, of course, the issue of which Pentium M you’re saddled with. From what you say about needing to use «forcepae» with Lubuntu, I’d hazard a guess you’ve got the earlier ‘Banias‘ variant. These did have PAE, but for some crazy reason, the way Intel built them they didn’t advertise this fact to the OS.

Hence the ‘Dothan‘ revision. where everything behaved itself, and worked as expected!

Personally, for a box of this vintage — even older than my own elderly Dell Inspiron, an original P4-powered 1100 from 2002 — and with only 512 MB RAM, I’d respectfully suggest taking a look at Precise 571. I think Tahrpup might struggle on there.

The only snag with recommendations is that often those that do so don’t actually have experience with equipment quite that old. I do, and make this recommendation from personal experience.

Precise 5.7.1 can be found here:-

PAE-only, but it’ll run sweetly on there. though you’ll like as not need the —forcepae flag on the kernel line. The Precise-retro version contains a shed-load of firmware for older routers/modems, etc.

If you decide to try it, let us know how you get on, please.

I searched it up and I’ll probably give it a go! In the meantime while waiting for answers I went back to lubuntu, this time an older version (14.04) and it seems to be running okay. Firefox launches in 8 seconds which I find impressive. If this version of puppy you recommended is even faster I would definitely keep it. For my very old machine do you think the retro build will work better?

EDIT: Installed the retro, it was super fast! If it wasn’t the retro one I should have went for please tell me.

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Which version of Puppy Linux should I use?

If you want the widest possible selection of applications use the latest puppy that is binary-compatible with a well stock distro (usually Ubuntu or Debian). If you are the DIY type use the latest puppy build exclusively from self-compiled packages (usually T2 or LFS).

What is non PAE?

Here’s a very simple explanation: in non-PAE mode, a 32-bit CPU must lookup (access) two tables to access a physical memory address; in PAE-mode, it must lookup three tables to do so. The one additional lookup requires some (very small) extra time, thus imposing additional overhead.

Is Puppy Linux any good?

Bottom Line up front, Puppy Linux is great for specific use cases like old hardware and a great way to set up a live USB environment for troubleshooting hardware or a network. It isn’t for me for full time usage on my main machine but this most certainly is not just “yesterday’s Linux.”

Is Puppy Linux still supported?

Raspberry Pi OS is based on Debian, meaning that Puppy Linux still has Debian/Ubuntu support. This version of Puppy Linux is not compatible with personal computers, like desktops or laptops….Release versions.

Version	Release Date
Puppy 8.0	24 March 2019
Puppy 8.2.1	1 July 2020
Puppy 9.5	21 September 2020

How much RAM does Puppy Linux need?

Minimum System Requirements RAM : 300 MB RAM. Hard Drive : Optional. DVD-ROM : 20x and up or USB.

Why is Puppy Linux so fast?

Puppy Linux is not only lean, it’s also lightning fast. On boot, the entire system loads into RAM and runs from there. If you are using Puppy Linux on a notebook or netbook, this also helps to increase battery life since the machine doesn’t have to access neither the hard disk nor the CD/DVD drive.

Does Windows 10 support PAE?

That’s an interesting question. The short answer is that yes, Windows 10 requires that your processor supports PAE. The good news is that the PAE feature has been available in most processors since 2003, so if your computer is 12 years old or newer, it’s a safe bet that you don’t have anything to worry about.

How do I enable PAE?

Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP: To enable PAE, use the /PAE switch in the boot. ini file. To disable PAE, use the /NOPAE switch. To disable DEP, use the /EXECUTE switch.

What desktop environment does Puppy Linux use?

Puppys default is JWM or (OpenBox in Lucid), see the What are JWM and OpenBox? thread. (JWM or OpenBox also act as the Desktop Environment, with the help of Puppy scripts and additional programs.)

Does Puppy Linux have LibreOffice?

PuppyLinux : getlibreoffice Tool for install LibreOffice with GUI.

Is there a PAE version of Puppy Linux?

There are versions of Puppy Linux that have a PAE version available, including Puppy53 Slacko and PrecisePuppy. PAE is not only more physical address space but also important for the “no execute” feature which disables execution of code that is marked as non-executable. PCs MUST have PAE to boot a PAE distro.

Does anitaos require PAE or non-PAE?

PAE and NON-PAE!….. It will probably require NON-PAE. AnitaOS is for non-pae machines or try Puppy Linux Slacko has a non-pae version I can’t recommend the Precise version though. Also Lucid version is also being updated.

What does PAE mean in Linux?

As far as other distros, I think I’d also take a look at LXLE and Lubuntu to see if they would load. Wikipedia says, ” Physical Address Extension ( PAE) is a feature to allow 32-bit IA-32 central processing units (CPUs) to access a physical address space (including random access memory and memory mapped devices) larger than 4 gigabytes.

What is tinycore puppy?

TinyCore Puppy A Puppy Linux Derivative compatible with TinyCore 4.x. TinyCore Puppy is a Puppy Linux Derivative compatible with TinyCore 4.x. TinyCore Puppy contains a better and newer kernel version. It also comes in PAE or non-PAE editions.

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